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So VERY Stressful!!!

I can't recall a time I have been more frustrated with music. For the last two weeks I have been helping my daughter with a song she is doing for a talent show. I just don't know how to reach her! It's this Katie Perry song Firework. It's well within her range... hurts poor old Dad at times though. She doesn't understand what sharp or flat is. So I go to my piano and explain it to her and show her by playing a note and singing one key then sharp and then flat. I try to get her to sing the note I'm playing but she doesn't want to do things like that. I try to explain to her that this is the kind of thing a vocal coach or teacher will do. It makes me feel sorry for everyone who has to deal with me because she can be such a hard headed little Italian! But, the problem is she thinks it sounds good. Which to her credit a couple parts of the song does sound really good when she is doing them. So, I was trying to work on the rest of the song where she is off key and out of time. Her timing is so bad I don't know how she learned to walk! Then she likes to screw around. And let me tell you my time is very valuable AND I have had to make the time for her so we are not getting together at 10 p.m. Last night just hit the pinnacle of frustration for me. Screwing around and not trying, it is just driving me completely insane! But, I kept my cool even though the thought of hanging myself did pop into my mind. She told me that my shop was not an inspiring place to sing. I can't believe I haven't had a heart attack one night in these past two weeks. My blood pressure was certainly high enough. Tonight was our last night to practice before her show on Saturday. I had to just let go of all the off key singing to try and get her to find the timing. But, before I got to all that I thought it might be a good time to sit down and have a talk with her. My hope was that it would be helpful so I put it to her like this:

I said “Listen... I'm not going to talk to you Father to Daughter. I'm going to talk to you singer to singer even though my voice left me years ago. I have practiced in dark dreary basements that looked more like a dungeon than anything else. I practiced in a garage with a dirt floor and moldy rotten carpet thrown over the dirt. We are not here in my shop for inspiration. We are here to work. We work on a song so hard so that when we are at the show we don't have to think about it. We can just go out and have a good time with it. That is the time for inspiration, this is the time to work. We don't go over a song until we get it right. We go over a song until we can't get it wrong. There are five elements of singing that you need to work on at your level:

1. Keying
2. Timing
3. Tone
4. Breathing
5. Recovery

Keying, meaning you need to stay on key. You have to correct the notes that you don't sing on key. When I correct you I am not criticizing you I am trying to help you.

Timing: You spend all of your time worrying about your tone but not a moment considering the timing. You can't expect the music to come to you, YOU have to be in time with the music. You need to think of your voice as not only an instrument that makes notes but also a drum that falls on time with the rhythm.

Tone: After we have the timing and keying correct then we can fine tune the dynamics of tone. You can't focus on tone alone because even if you have the greatest tone ever heard by mankind it will not sound good if you are off key and out of time with the music.

Breathing: I haven't beat you up about breathing with this song because you seem to be getting enough breathe. But, if you feel you are struggling with note holds or losing wind on a line you need to realize that you need more air and need to work on your breathing.

Recovery: I play with some of the most talented musicians in the State and they all makes mistakes and so do I. The reason that very few people ever hear us make a mistake is because we recover quickly. That is what you need to do. If you make a mistake then you need to put it behind you and get back on track with the song”.

After that we worked on the song. The talk seemed to have a calming effect on both of us. But, then for the next two hours I spent my time listening to off key out of time singing. I have heard this song so many times that I can start it in the middle and start singing it. She can't hear the cord changes or any of the cues. I have pointed them out dozens of times. I have done all I can in the time given. Two weeks? I don't know if two months would be enough time! The whole thing just made me want to run myself over with my own truck. It was just so very frustrating!

On the ride home I told her to practice it tomorrow and focus on the timing and keying but not to sing hard. Then I told after that all the work is done so just go out and have a good time with it because that is why we do this.

But, it's a whole lot more fun when you have a good performance. Now all I can do is pray that my musical genes rise to the surface Saturday. And if they don't I can only pray that she won't tell anyone that I was helping her work on this song. Even though I think she is going to train wreck this song I'm still looking forward to going and watching her. She is such a little ham and it will be nice to see how she handles the stage.

She is one of the biggest reasons why I don't teach.

Dave
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8/17/2012 12:18 AM

Steve Mawhorter (5365) wrote:

Hey Dave just remember she is a little girl and make it fun for her and it will come out good! just keep it fun for her!
sorry Dave if i'am out of line on this but kids are kids



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8/17/2012 11:16 AM

Dave Magaro (21101) wrote:

She is 17 so not really a little girl anymore. To me practice isn't fun. I hate practice probably more than most. To me the fun comes at the gig. And your not out of line, I appreciate the input.

Dave

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8/17/2012 1:00 AM

Gar Whitenton (5737) wrote:

I agree with what Steve says - find a way to make it fun. You also might find a recording of someone singing WAY out of key, maybe something like a bad audition on American Idol. Make fun of the person, laugh at them, get her to make fun of them too over how awful it sounds. I think if she has an ear, and if she is your kid she probably does, something like that will stick with her and she will start singing on key naturally.

Just my thought on it...good luck bro.



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8/17/2012 11:27 AM

Dave Magaro (21101) wrote:

How about I just play a recording of HER singing off key....LOL!

If I get her best effort I'm fine with however it turns out. But, I feel I didn't get her best effort these past two weeks and that does't fly with me. I'm not like these schools who give a ribbon to everyone. If she wants a ribbon from me she is going to have to earn it. She gets plenty of praise from me when she does well, OR gives her best effort at whatever it is she is doing. I'm not a complete hardass like my father was but I am a hardass.

Dave

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8/17/2012 12:08 PM

Barney Brazitis (17807) wrote:

You are a model father, in the middle of frustration and still spending the time. You are an example to all fathers, as hard as you work, all the things you've strove to build and in the heat of it STILL taking time with your yungun even as it is FRUSTRATING YOU TO DA MAX! May many fathers be like you....



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8/17/2012 4:34 PM

Maurice Carr (37594) wrote:

+1



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8/17/2012 7:47 PM

Dave Magaro (21101) wrote:

I appreciate the kind words Barney. I just needed to vent a little I guess.... I felt like I was going to pop.

Dave

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8/17/2012 7:46 PM

Greg Rhodus (7842) wrote:

i agree with barney below Dave....you are a model t all fathers....wish i saw more fathers who took the time to spend ti with their kids and spend it trying to teach them something. one note about the performance...sometime maybe it is good to fail and fall on your face so you realize Why you practice...so maybe it will be a good thing if she doesn't do well....for next time. also she may surprise you and nail it..i know sometimes i have problems with a song in practice then when on the stage it is like a switch gets turned on and the real musician in me fires up...



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8/18/2012 3:47 PM

Dave Magaro (21101) wrote:

Well we're going to find out. I'm just grabbing a bite to eat and then I'm heading over to the mall where her gig is. I don't get nervous about my own gigs but I'm a little nervous today. Hoping for the best.

Dave



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8/18/2012 4:33 PM

Brian Sharpe (21051) wrote:

Hope she does great. (Even if it seems like they're not listening they really do absorb a fair bit of what we share with them)





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8/22/2012 6:25 PM

Dave Magaro (21101) wrote:

Yep you're right. We were talking about it and she said that she realized she got off time and in her mind she was saying to herself "RECOVER... RECOVER... RECOVER". That made me laugh.

Dave



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8/18/2012 4:38 PM

Maurice Carr (37594) wrote:

I bet you it works out great Dave!



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8/20/2012 10:55 AM

Dave Magaro (21101) wrote:

Well it wasn't a train wreck but it was a derailment for sure! At first it was a good mix but for some reason they cut the music down to the point where it was barely audible for some reason. But she was off key and lost the timing... I'm telling you the kid has no timing! At one point when we were rehearsing I had her clap her hands to the beat of the music just to make sure that she was capable of doing it. Funniest part was when I went up to her after she was done singing. I told her she did good and told her I loved her and gave her a hug and she was trembling...LMAO! I pulled back and said “You're shaking” her eyes got big and she said “I KNOW”...LOL! I guess I forgot how nerve wracking that is when you first start out.

Dave



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8/20/2012 2:08 PM

Maurice Carr (37594) wrote:

I went up to her after she was done singing. I told her she did good and told her I loved her and gave her a hug

That's exactly the bit I was referring to - for both of you a good result because you had good time together.

The timing thing is a bit of a worry though, I don't know how hard it is to learn that if it's not natural that but I always thought you either had it or you didn't. Let's hope it was just nerves in front of her Dad.





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8/21/2012 11:49 AM

Garry Cantrell (4207) wrote:

I'm of the notion that everyone has rhythm. You couldn't walk, or do a number of other things otherwise. What everyone doesn't have is the ability to get out of their own way and let themselves keep the beat. It's too easy to overthink, and with the overthinking, and the accompanying nerves, screw up the beat. "Now? Is it now? No, OK, how about, oh damn, too late, or maybe too early. Damn." And your first (or first few, or first several) times in front of someone actually listening to you, especially your musician dad?? Yep. That can rattle you.

Now, keeping a steady, don't let the adrenaline speed you up, beat - that's just a matter of practice and discipline.





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8/21/2012 1:47 PM

Paul Warren (15309) wrote:

What everyone doesn't have is the ability to get out of their own way and let themselves keep the beat. It's too easy to overthink, and with the overthinking, and the accompanying nerves, screw up the beat.

How very, very, true. That is perhaps the major reason that in more than 25 years of trying I have become, at best, a mediocre bass player.

The best I've ever played has been when I've been distracted by something else (playing with EQ, FX etc.). All of a sudden I realize I'm actually playing fairly well. And of course, with that realization, I quickly revert to thinking again and my playing reverts to it's usual strained, humdrum crap.

Maybe a lobotomy might help...



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8/22/2012 6:16 PM

Roger Gumbs (30457) wrote:

Well, the most important thing is that you were able to spend time with her. Even if she is a hard headed Italian, the experience is probably something she'll remember for a lifetime.



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8/22/2012 6:27 PM

Dave Magaro (21101) wrote:

Yeah it was good..... probably shortend my life by a month though...hehehehe!

Dave



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8/22/2012 10:43 PM

Ed LeFave (30175) wrote:

*grins*
Can't even imagine listening to that tune that many times
Awesome job Dad.....She'll always remember that
...and I know exactly what you mean about teaching......
:)
Peace Ed

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