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Phantom of The Opera... This is Driving Me Crazy!

I have to lean Iron Maiden Phantom of The Opera. I played this song many years ago. I sat down and started playing it without the CD. I remember most of it. In the middle of the song there is a little bass solo part. For those who don't know the song go to 3:20 on this studio version:







When I'm just playing without the CD I always have the lyrics running through my head or guitar part. I started playing this bass solo the way I figure it out back in about 1981. Here is how I was playing it:








If that plays too fast or too slow for you just adjust your tempo at the bottom of the screen to about 200.

That part is played the same and just drops a whole step to "D" as a bass note. Then it drops another step to "C". The back to "D" and finally back to the beginning "E". So, I was playing this solo the way I figured it out years ago and then was hearing the guitars come in when they start playing in my head and something just wasn't jiving. I'm not sure about the guitar harmony but I could hear a minor triad when it starts. I was asuming it was an "E minor triad, then down to D Major, C Major, D Major then back to E". But, I was convinced whatever it was it just wasn't working musically. Then I tried playing the part like this:








Then it sounded right to me. I started playing the whole part like this:








That sounded right to me so I started practicing it like that. I just thought I figured it out wrong all those years ago when I was just a baby. I was going over the song for a day or two and decided it was time to break out the CD and see what I'm missing. I get to the bass solo and it sounds great when the guitars kick in. It makes perfect musically sense. Before when I was playing it I would be hitting an "A" for my second note and the main guitar part was hitting a "G". HOWEVER, it does NOT sound great with what Harris is playing. I rewind it (Originally when I figured out this song it was on 8-track! Thank you Lord for the rewind button!) and sure enough he is playing it the way I originally figured out like this:








I'm cutting that one part short but you get the idea. Now I'm torn. Do I play it the way it sounds better being the new way? Or do I play it the way Harris plays it? When I crank my bass up and burry Harris it sounds much better hitting the thirds than hitting the forths like Harris does. I was thinking about doing it like this:








I couldn't get it all in as that was as many notes as I could add. I start the part out with the forth like Harris and then when the guitars kick in switch to the third.

What do you think? Should I stay true to the song and play it the way Harris did it. OR, play it musically right which makes it sound better? Or start with the forths like Harris and make the leap to thirds when the guitars kick in?

Dave
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8/5/2011 12:27 AM

Bo Hulsey (2238) wrote:

You know, I'm damn impressed. I think you should go with your version and it'll sound great. I really never worked POTO out and really never picked up on that (I was 17 and didn't care, I just wanted to RAWK!!!).

Seriously, play it your way. It does sound much better than Steve's and he'd probably be impressed with your prowess. Paul won't give a slosh, I'm sure.



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8/5/2011 5:52 AM

Jean-francois Turbide (3902) wrote:

I agree....and everyone have their own style of playing...If someone phoned you home to play with them ..it means that you are a little bit known and they certainly know your skills..
Mister Magaro will do just fine doing his stuff...

J_F



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8/5/2011 3:49 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

I never caught it the first time around either. I've been practicing it my way, so I think I'll play it like that.

Thanks Bo,

Dave

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1/17/2012 4:25 AM

Ben Cook (6438) wrote:















and then
















if I used the tool correctly...

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1/23/2012 3:01 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

I wasn't asking how to play it. I was asking if I should play it musically correct or artist correct.

That second part I wasn't doing like he does. I thought it sounded better with more movement:







It sounds very similar just a little harder to play than what Harris does and funner.

Dave

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1/24/2012 8:39 AM

Ben Cook (6438) wrote:

Gotcha! Beg pardon.
You'll have to listen carefully to the guitar parts.
The tricky thing about playing that high up in the bass range in a metal track is that you can easily lose a lot of the punch. I suspect that's why Steve Harris keeps pumping out those pedals between noodly bits.



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1/24/2012 1:07 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

"The tricky thing about playing that high up in the bass range in a metal track is that you can easily lose a lot of the punch"

I have never had that problem. I play that high and higher quite often.

Dave



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1/27/2012 6:03 AM

Ben Cook (6438) wrote:

Really? Don't you find that the overall tone in Maiden sounds a lot thinner than say, Lamb Of God?



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1/27/2012 12:36 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

Christ? I don't listen to music much, it is for the most part a waste of time. I find it distracting and I don't like being distracted in that way. I'm going to take it that you are talking about a band when you say Lamb of God.

On the first two Maiden albums the bass tone is horrible IMO. When he hit Number of the Beast he started getting a better tone. It wasn't until like Somewhere in Time or Seventh Son that he and the whole band started putting out recordings that were worth anything in the tone and sound deparment IMO. But, what you were talking about was losing punch around the 12th fret, something I haven't experienced. Low end starts to drop out of course but I've never lost punch. I hate to keep posting this video but it's really about the only thing I have online to post. I play quite a bit at the 12th frett and above in this song. I don't hear any loss of punch:







Dave



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1/28/2012 4:08 AM

Ben Cook (6438) wrote:

Fair point! I should have said balls when I said punch. Something one ought not to get confused lest they suffer the dire consequences. lol





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1/30/2012 1:22 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

LOL! OK then what we have here is a language barrier. Now I got you and understand what your were saying. Yes, balls would have made it crystal clear. Now youre making sense to me.

: )

Dave





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1/30/2012 4:16 PM

Ben Cook (6438) wrote:

Entirely my fault. I usually prize my command of the English language in being able to be specific.
Alas, for all my circumlocutions I am at a loss for a point.



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1/28/2012 4:09 AM

Ben Cook (6438) wrote:

In my band, I won't really do to lose too much low end. I have to be careful how often I go above an open G!

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1/25/2012 1:10 PM

Roger Gumbs (29626) wrote:

I learned parts of this a couple of months ago...but I cheated because I have the official Iron Maiden bass tab book....

cheater- cheater

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1/25/2012 4:58 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

The first time I figued it out back in the early eighties was on 8-track. That was kind of hard.

Dave

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1/26/2012 9:06 AM

Todd Ingram (16004) wrote:

takes about 6 days to figure a song out on 8 track, drove me crazy.

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1/26/2012 1:51 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

Learned more songs with 8-track though. You would have to figure out another one while you were waiting for the one you were trying to figure out to come back around.

Dave

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1/27/2012 3:16 AM

Maurice Carr (36802) wrote:

....You would have to figure out another one
while you were waiting for the one you were trying
to figure out to come back around.....


So....that would have to be after the first Heineken
round which had to have another one opened before
you could finish the first...and so on...right?



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1/27/2012 12:38 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

That would be correct...LOL!

: )

Dave

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2/12/2012 9:02 PM

Roger Gumbs (29626) wrote:

OMG...that would suck so bad. I do remember trying to learn songs with an old cassette player,and thought that was a pain. It's no wonder you see so many of these little kid virtuosos on Youtube. The technology is so much more musician friendly these days.

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