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A grand fraud is a foot

I have been thinking, and if I offend I, as usually do I apologize. Many years ago, a thousand it seems, I posted a lesson called grandchester meadows, and was reprimanded deeply for it, for I broke copyright laws, for as anyone knows grandchester meadows is a beautiful song of the ummagumma l.p by pink floyd. I broke copyright laws and, in consequence, I apologized and wrote a letter to the founders of this website, and, in turn, I had my membership returned. Now, I also remember a brief stint by a brilliant member by the name of fuasto carcioni, not to be confused with the clevland indian fausto carmone, any way, I can not imagine him being a member any more for he transcribed and posted the opening of tarkus by elp which made me cry, and then he posted blues variation by the same band and me cry even more. It was the greatest lesson ever posted if I do say so myself. I love greg lake. So we are in a cundundrum we can not post any music or transcription there of by any living musician for we would be breaking copy right laws. However we can post Bach, Mozart, and the like and face no reprieve, however if we post the who, the beatles, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, E,L,P, Genesis, Megadeath , Slayer, and the like, we are in grave danger. However many a musician on this website is not only capable of the transcription but would benefit greatly from playing any of these popular artists. So here is the fraud, if one goes on You tube and types in any of these artists they can find there songs,and entire albums for free, without paying a dime, however if we post a song transcribed we are violating copyright. Thus I say to you all, the internet is in itself a grand fraud against the musician, it has basically destroyed the art of the album more than the music video could ever have done. It is eseentialy robbing the musician blind, we can get free score online, and then we can hear the music for free online. This is a great tragedy that has made the art of music a penniless art unless one can dance around in a latex tutu, or if you can sing on stupid show. Thus I appreciate the integity of Active Bass for sticking to the law, however they are the only ones left who acknowledge it. Thus this is why I rarely ever post lessons, i use active bass, in a private manner for transcribing whatever rock scores I can find. Wether it be Rush, Floyd or the Beatles, the Police, whatever I can find, I will use active bass to bring about the melodies, and i will not, by the law publish it, however the point of this rant is this, the interent is nothing more than one massive act of copyright infringement, and it has made music so free that is has lost any intrinsic value. There was a time where I loved to buy Floyd and Crimson albums, there was a time where I loved buying whatever Bach album I could find, now I just go to You tube as a useful guide. Here is the dark point what of your music, what of mine, you compose a song, it gets downloaded, you get the song published, it gets downloaded. No money, a little recognition and that is all. The internet is the greatest thief since Al Capone, and I appreciate what active bass does, however, you complete the sentence.
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Re: A grand fraud is a foot

6/22/2011 6:46 AM

Jon Hermansen (3886) wrote:

I guess to summarize what is the point of being a musician any more, or for that matter a poet, or a writer, you will end up being hi-jacked, or even worse dancing around a stage like a hacknieid monkey. The internet is to music as to what a terrorist is to an airplane.

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6/22/2011 7:07 AM

Greg Rhodus (7348) wrote:

if i like a song or and album i still buy it...

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6/22/2011 11:35 AM

Brian Sharpe (20950) wrote:

Inasmuch as the existence if the Internet facilitates the uncontrolled dissemination of copyrighted material many artists have gone back to touring as a their source of revenue. As the Internet consists of distributed servers and is not owned by any identifiable group it, in and of itself, is unable to perpetrate a fraud (purely a technical argument - not disagreeing with the spirit of your post)

Perhaps the site owners here are erring on the side of caution in respect to lessons (not that I blame them as the mpa seems to be somewhat litigious)but you're right when you say you can find pretty much anything over on youtube. Perhaps youtube has sufficient resources to resist the mpa and put up a "fair use" defence or it may be that the mpa is in bed with youtube as most of the major labels have "official" channels for many artists and post videos there themselves (here in Canuckistan I am often unable to watch legitimately posted videos for copyright reasons)




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6/23/2011 4:18 AM

Jon Hermansen (3886) wrote:

You see Brian, that is true, yet touring really does not make a band, what makes a band is there albums. Pink Floyd and the Beatles are great examples of this; there albums are so to speak timeless, and treasures, and that goes for all great bands. To put it simply Brian an album is like the art of cooking a great meal using time, and patience to make the food come alive, touring is the act of throwing up the food. Of course Floyd toured, of Course E.L.P toured, heck even the great composers had to put on concerts, yet that was not the sole point of there revenue, they were not on the road 12 months out of the year to make money, they made money where a musician should make there money, in the parlor, and in practice. To make a second point one can argue that the dead, and Phish are a great example of a band that lives of tours, yet there albums are crap, and secondly I used to be able to go buy the beatles white album for 25 bucks, and have it forever, a phish ticket cost what 75 to 100, not worth my time, not even close to being worth the money, we are in a recession after all. I would rather put gas in my car than go see Phish. Not to just rip on phish, I have a rich cousin that wanted to see Roger Waters in Milwaukee, huge fan, wanted to go, however I did not have 250 dollars to spend, so I went to you tube and saw the footage for free.

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6/22/2011 1:11 PM

Leroy Sams (4749) wrote:

Yo !

What I want to know is.... who told you about my latex tutu ?

I bet it was that Sharpey guy....

Leroy



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6/22/2011 4:22 PM

Jon Hermansen (3886) wrote:

It was lady gaga, casey anthony, kim kardashian, and anthony weiners wife they all have the inside info on you



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6/23/2011 1:34 PM

Leroy Sams (4749) wrote:

Wow!!! my life is an open book....

Leroy

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6/22/2011 1:44 PM

Adam Copelin (12723) wrote:

The copyright laws are getting tougher on youtube too as we
speak, as well as on the public that watches it. Those with the
lawyers to enforce copyright have a nasty habit of trampling all
over anyone who dare use the internet in a way that could even
conceivably touch their material. Remember the RIAA suits in the
US against downloaders ten years back? Yes, they caught people
breaking the law, but they also sued old ladies without
computers and children with cancer. Granted, they caught some
thieves, but the sheer unreliable nature of tracking people on the
internet made it impossible to accurately nail people for it. And
the people they did catch were held liable for arbitrary millions
of dollars based on what they theoretically could have shared. My
point in this long winded ramble? The big dogs with the lawyers
can ruin you, so I don't blame AB for cracking down on the
copyright infringement. I've yet to figure out how ultimate-guitar
is still online.

I could ramble on for days about this stuff, and I'd probably be
all wrong. But I will comment on this in regards to internet vs.
the musician, and add in the record company as a third party.
The internet, to my eyes, is reversing the music industry. The
industry peaked in the 90's, when the labels could sell an $18
CD with 2 good tracks, and that was the only option. The
internet offers an alternative. People can buy the songs they like,
or steal them or stream them. Are all those options good for the
industry that's stuck in the 90's? Nope. But it's allowed more
music to get to more people, more bands to get breaks, more
acts to find more shows, and more musicians to sell more music
to more people on more platforms. It's big business vs. small
business, and people are going for the small businesses, smaller
labels and lesser known acts that offer something besides
mass produced music. It's what people want, and now they
can get it, in ways that are legal and ways that are not. Yes, you
will get ripped off on the
internet to some degree, but there are more ways to market
yourself than ever before.

Oh and Brian, I think youtube has cut deals with labels to get
their music on there and link to sales pages for tunes that people
use in videos. The industry is still getting their cut on a lot of
youtube stuff, though a lot of it is still used improperly and gets
yanked from time to time.

My rambling, vaguely on topic 2 cents. :)

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6/22/2011 9:47 PM

Clifton Jackson (35274) wrote:

Yo Jon,
Yes, you bring out some good points! The Internet has grown up so Fast, to the point that the Law can not be enforced on it in a Fair manner!
The Law or Common Sense needs take control on this! :^D
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6/23/2011 4:07 AM

Jon Hermansen (3886) wrote:

Yet clif, when it comes to the poor folks of this country the law is always there for a bust, but the internet pirates no, to much money in the pocket. I am sorry to say to all, but there are two systems of justice in this country, one for the haves, and the prisons for the have nots.