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I was wondering how you all deal with venues that have wood floors/stages? I notice at these particular venues, I am often asked to turn down...but when I try to turn down, I can't hear myself at all and I'm already at low volume (1-2 on the volume dial). Now, my cabs have wheels, so they're not resting, directly on the floor, and I've tried backing off the bass end of things, but I'm still reverberating through the floor/stage, causing my stage volume to seem louder than it actually is, then when you add the drummers toms and kick drum to the mix...the low end just overpowers everything, and all you hear is the rumble. I suppose the easiest solution would be to either turn the cabs off or move them off the stage, but sometimes neither are viable options, so I was wondering if there was anything else I could try, to avoid/fix this issue?
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10/31/2010 6:30 AM

Gar Whitenton (4960) wrote:

turn everything else up...

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10/31/2010 11:34 AM

Bo Hulsey (2238) wrote:

What is your rig? Are you running a direct signal
as well? How big are the venues that you're
playing?

Who's complaining about your volume? Sound man,
band, audience?

Just some things to think about. If you wouldn't
mind posting as much of that info as you can; it
might help. Thanks.



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10/31/2010 1:13 PM

Jeff Foertsch (544) wrote:

I run a DI to the board, and have a very low monitor mix.
Most of the complaints come from the drummer.
The size of the venue, I've kind of eliminated, because, I've played in smaller clubs and not had the issue, and I've played in bigger clubs and not the issue. It seems to be centered around a hollow stage, that is poorly designed and develops the standing waves.
The guitar player in our band dubs as the sound man...generally. When we have a sound man, they're generally not to "involved" with the individuals sound.
My rig...Hartke Lh1000, 2 1x15 Gks, art Tube DI. Not sure if this is the issue either, cause it happened when I played through a 6-10 as well. The 1100W could be an issue though...LOL. But my thought is, if that was the case, it would happen at most venues, and it doesn't, just the venues, where I'm on a hollow stage. I could add...that a couple weeks ago, we played at this same venue and everything sounded great, when I wasn't on the back part of the stage. They have since added a smaller platform in front, causing me to have to move back to the main platform and this is where I had the issue. Turning everyone else up would be viable, but then we would be to loud.



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10/31/2010 1:40 PM

Bo Hulsey (2238) wrote:

I use a smaller 100w amp on stage plus I run a DI
as well. We leave the 8x10 in the garage unless
an outdoor gig requires its presence (haven't used
it in a the year I've been with them). So we
don't have that problem. In the past year we've
played on hollow stages, flat bed trailers, and
pool side gigs and never had a problem with
boominess (made that word up...lol).

One thing you might try is dampening the
vibrations into the stage from your amp by getting
a piece of mattress foam and placing it under your
cab. It might help but who knows...it could!

Another option (if you can) is to downsize your
cab. If you can, it might help.

Somebody on here has a better answer than I do
though...

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10/31/2010 2:12 PM

Paul Redmile (5631) wrote:

Jeff I have watched bands set up in venues similar to the wooden floors you describe and they have had the same problem, one band solved the problem by using a carpet or rug under the drum kit AND the bass players amp, I gig with a 450w 2/10 with a 1/15 extension cob, I never put my rig on the floor, always on carpet.
Hope that helps.


Plod.

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10/31/2010 4:20 PM

Charley Shipman (2699) wrote:

I live in an apartment, and experimented some time ago with trying to isolate the bass frequencies so that they did not bother the neighbor below me. What helped me was using some foam packing material, about 4" thick, supporting the whole cabinet. It did not totally stop the floor and walls from conducting the frequencies, but toned them down by a lot. Best of luck to you.

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10/31/2010 7:10 PM

Dave Magaro (20517) wrote:

Always tough in those rooms. One of the problems is that low end waves take time to form. A lot of them are past you when they form. Bass is always louder to the audience than it is to the player. Sometimes you REALLY have to back off the low end. Also a lot of clubs have standing waves which will only make it resonate more. If I am playing and the low end is really taking off on a couple of notes I know the club has a standing wave(s) problem. I'll go back and tell our soundman about where the problem is if he hasn't already made the cut. But, there are just nights when you are going to have to make your sound a little thinner than you actually want it. One trick is to have a touch of bass put in your monitor. You don't need a lot, just a touch. That will give you more volume without blowing it into the crowd.

Dave



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10/31/2010 8:48 PM

Roger Gumbs (29626) wrote:

Yeah, I've never understood why some bass players just stand in front of their rig (like 2 feet away), and never ask anyone how their FOH sound is. Hell, even a simple, "how's it sound...too boomy...too loud...not enough?"

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10/31/2010 8:50 PM

Roger Gumbs (29626) wrote:

If you have 2 cabinets...have you thought about keeping them stacked, but only running the top cabinet.

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11/1/2010 8:57 PM

Terry Bros (861) wrote:

I have experienced that problem on occasions. I now use a 4ohm cab placed on 2 plastic bottle crates (coke crates covered with a black cloth) on a carpert strip. This will reduce the boom etc from the wooden floor and will raise the cab so you can hear yourself play. I also DI to the desk if necessary.

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