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Grand unified theory of fingerativity

So I am mostly a saxophonist so you will have to forgive me for any ignorance I might show. I'm also new to the sight so this might not even be the place for this. Anyway, disclaimer aside, I have a story to tell. I have been searching for a fingering system for the electric bass that is similar to the uprights Rabbath or Simandl(I am not at all familiar with these so they might not be what I think they are.). I got frustrated enough as to put the instrument down for about six months. After picking it up again I think I might have created one but I would love a few more eyes to look over it and give me their thoughts. It started when I saw a video of Steve bailey talking about being able to play a major scale in one position starting on any finger. So I learned that and it didnt do much for me or at least as much as I wanted it to. Eventually I expanded that to include a major scale played on a single string up the neck. I did that using only 3 different positions for each finger. Then you can expand that to go across the neck at each position and all the permutations that creates. If you apply this to every mode with every finger I think this might create an genuine electric fingering system.Oh, and another disclaimer, this might have already been figured out a long time ago. I havnt had lessons for bass so all I know is self taught. Any help or advice you all could give would be greatly appreciated.

Step 1
G





Step 2






Step 3

G






Step 4

G






Step 5



G





Step 6
Continue the permutations. I count 10 for the 3 positions. I could be wrong though.





Step 7
Repeat using the next finger
G









Step 8
This time it is fingered (index=1 pinky=4) 2 4 1 2 4 1 3 4






Step 9
More permutations.




Step 10
Do the same with your ring and pinky finger and the modes.





The end goal is to be able to play any scale in any key starting on any scale degree starting on any finger. Like I said before, I dont know if this will work but It makes sense to me right now.
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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/2/2010 12:16 PM

Brad Mock (15518) wrote:

Hi Jacob, these things have all been figured out before but as an exercise for a learning student you did well. IMO any thing you do to learn the fingerboard thoroughly will help make playing effortless (eventually). Stringed instruments are a lot more straight forward than the woodwind instruments you are used to playing since everything is linear and strings are in perfect ascending fourths. OTOH technical knowledge and skill can be a detriement to a bass player unless the other factors of bass playing are also in play, foundation, feel and groove. Be sure to spend as much time absorbing the essential organics of bass playing as you do on expanding your chops.

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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/2/2010 12:44 PM

David Muise (15739) wrote:

Nice work!

One thing to incorporate into electric & upright bass fingerings is ease of doing it. Electric can involve a lot of stretching, shifting, & pivoting. Upright even more so.

Upright fingerings I've encountered frequently use "3" fingers, with Ring & Pinkie grouped together. This aids in 'stretch ability' & in trying to fret (whatever; you know what I mean) a high tension string with high action.

Basic/Intermediate Electric fingerings tend to go with 'one finger per fret'.

What genre(s) are you playing?



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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/2/2010 4:19 PM

Jacob Russell (5) wrote:

Thank you very much. Mostly I play jazz but I do get into some alt rock/fold/jam band stuff with some buddies. When I do that though Im just playing what I hear more or less with a little theory to keep us all in the same key.

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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/2/2010 3:12 PM

WAYNE ELLIOTT (21617) wrote:

Hi Jacob;

Welcome to the ActiveBass site.


That is some wonderful work
you've done there.

It took me several months
to figure out that this:


G Maj




and this:

GMaj


...were the same thing!

Thanks to a breakthrough medicine
from Glaxo Wellcome I'm able to
play modes in three keys!

Good job Sir;
Let us know if we can help you.


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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/3/2010 2:24 PM

Adam Furay (1713) wrote:

Dr. Mark Morton (asodb.com) has a series of fingering books that have more or less "unified" all bass schools of playing. Check his site out or drop him an e-mail.



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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/5/2010 2:41 PM

WAYNE ELLIOTT (21617) wrote:

Dr, Morton's Miraculous! Scale Fingerings for the Double Bass
..
Dr. Morton's Miraculous Arpeggio Fingerings for the Double Bass
..
Etc. etc.

Hi Adam;
Would there be any reason why these
WOULD NOT
transfer to electric bass?

p.s. Enjoyed E.M. by KENNY W.
Thanks Wayne

p.p.s. Did you have something
against posting in 2009 ? lol



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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/5/2010 3:27 PM

Adam Furay (1713) wrote:

the fingering's in his books are designed around the size of the double bass, and certain stylistic facets of classical music. while they would work on electric bass, viewing them as more of a supplement and/or ideological approach would be more productive.



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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/5/2010 3:33 PM

Adam Furay (1713) wrote:

in regards to not posting in 2009:

"attempts to clean the environment are the only proven ways of destroying it"

"familiarity breeds contempt"




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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/5/2010 5:11 PM

David Muise (15739) wrote:

"Would there be any reason why these WOULD NOT transfer to electric bass?"

25% fewer notes without moving your hand?



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Re: Grand unified theory of fingerativity

1/6/2010 3:32 AM

Adam Furay (1713) wrote:

heh nicely put

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