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set up badass bridge...??

Anybody know how to setup a badass bridge...?

I own a fender jazz bass(mexican)with badass bridge..Recently I have a problem with buzz noises and i thought i need to setup the neck and the bridge.. but i can't figure out how to setup the badass bridge...

Thanks for the help...
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7/20/2006 4:35 PM

Ivan Thuringer (41013) wrote:

It will be difficult to explain "How to" set it up as it will depend on the rest of the bass. In all likelihood, you saddles need to be raised, but it may also require other things (you don't want too much string heighth). I would recommend taking your bass to the shop and having them set it up for you.

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7/20/2006 5:02 PM

Larry Garlick (3258) wrote:

Send the bass to me in a self addressed stamped envelope with a check for $50.00 ($90.00 if you want new strings) and I will set the neck, set intonation, and string height.



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7/27/2006 9:50 PM

David Lenci (1980) wrote:

Is that a serious offer?

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7/20/2006 7:01 PM

Paul Redmile (5981) wrote:

Can someone please explain to my why a badass bridge is so good, what difference does it make to a bass ? These bridges retail for around $250 here in Oz,
Plod.



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7/20/2006 7:15 PM

Paul Warren (15441) wrote:

I'll take a stab at it. The BadAssII is well designed and fully adjustable for string height and intonation. The saddles are isolated from each other to stop cross string vibration.

Some people claim that because of it's extra mass it'll make your bass sound better. I don't agree with this part and to show why I'll give a little analogy.

Would you rather be hit by a mini cooper or a train? Most people would answer 'the mini' because it has less mass and you might have a chance of survival. However, if you weld the mini to the side of the train and have the mini hit you now it carries all the mass of the train and is as lethal as the train.

Since your bridge is screwed firmly to your bass it carries all the mass of the bass. Since the mass of the bass is so much more than the bridge, the bridge mass can be neglected.

All in all, while the BadAssII is a really good bridge, it isn't better than most quality bridges. I know a good guitar tech who told me you don't need to upgrade your bridge unless it is of really poor quality or it doesn't have isolated saddles and complete adjustibility.

This is only my opinion, others may disagree so please don't flame me all you BadAssII loyalists out there. LOL





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7/20/2006 7:24 PM

Paul Redmile (5981) wrote:

So in your opinion Paul, is it worth replacing my standard Squire bridge on my Jazz with a Badass ?
Plod.







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7/20/2006 7:37 PM

Aaron Hannon (389) wrote:

I switched to a BadAss on my Squire(along with some other "tweaks") and I'm a happy camper. So I'm gonna suggest that you go for it.

Peace and Funk Grease- Aaron







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7/20/2006 7:37 PM

Ben Matthews (3935) wrote:

no, the question is:


"Is it worth wasting a Badd A-- II Bridge on a Squire?"

:^)









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7/20/2006 7:43 PM

Aaron Hannon (389) wrote:

haha true, but at the time i could only afford the BadAss and not the new bass...plus i've grown attached =]

-Aaron









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7/20/2006 7:50 PM

Ben Matthews (3935) wrote:

could always take it off and put it on your lovely new genuine fender.









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7/21/2006 7:00 AM

Paul Redmile (5981) wrote:

In Oz a Squire retails for around $500, a Fender is $1200, more than twice tha price. Its what you can afford.
Plod.









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7/21/2006 7:05 AM

Roger Gumbs (30487) wrote:

Geez....that's crazy!!!

I just wish we had the Holden El Camino you guys have!!! Welll it hasn't been made in a couple of years I imagine.

I believe Holden builds our Pontiac GTO as well.











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7/21/2006 7:15 AM

Paul Redmile (5981) wrote:

Rog... the Pontiac GTO Is our Holden Monaro,
GTO.jpg
I have no idea what a "Holden El Comino" Is lol, (pics please). !!!
Plod











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7/21/2006 7:30 AM

Roger Gumbs (30487) wrote:

Paul...it's called the Holden Ute.
Here in the states back in the7's and 80's they were referred to as the "El Camino"


Ute%20Unblemished.JPG











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7/21/2006 7:45 AM

Paul Redmile (5981) wrote:

K... now Im with you Rog... Heres our latest SS ute,
ssute.jpg
5.7 litre, actually its the old 350 Chev motor reworked.
Plod.













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7/21/2006 7:43 PM

Roger Gumbs (30487) wrote:

Man, I wish we had them here!!!











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7/28/2006 12:50 PM

James Ke (807) wrote:

The transexual of vehicles. Is it a truck or car?













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7/29/2006 1:02 AM

Roger Gumbs (30487) wrote:

It's a hermaphrodite vehicle....It's both! lol











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7/30/2006 6:32 PM

Timothy Lyons (5035) wrote:

Whoa, El Camino talk and I'm not invited?

My car:
car.jpg











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7/30/2006 8:39 PM

Roger Gumbs (30487) wrote:

Nice Elco...I'd love to have one.









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7/30/2006 6:19 PM

Jay Schond (1854) wrote:

that is seriously insane. $500 for a squire... I can't imagine prices like that. I paid less than that for a GOOD bass. Is ebay different for other countries? I figure, if I could buy a Squire bass in a store for 500 bones, or a real fender or any other GOOD bass on ebay for less than that(my jazz 24 was $400), I would be obsessed with ebay.







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7/20/2006 8:21 PM

Paul Warren (15441) wrote:

It depends on the overall quality of the Squier bridge. If it doesn't have 4 saddles replace it for sure. If there's only 3 anchor screws replace it. If the metal plate that holds the string ball ends is flimsy I'd replace it. If it doesn't adjust smoothly I'd replace it.

If it passes all the above and it works why spend the money. Don't get me wrong, the BadAssII is a really good bridge and it's certainly better than the Squier bridge in overall craftsmanship. But whether it's worth that much money is another story.





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7/20/2006 10:13 PM

Ivan Thuringer (41013) wrote:

You are right about the BadAss not being any better than other good bridges. I only replace the skimpy bridges - but I always use BadAssII's. The exception was when I replaced the bridge on the Scorpion. I used a Contour qhick release. To me - the best stock bridge ever made is found on the Ibanez ATK's. It would be a downgrade to replace it with a Badass (it would look horrible too). But - dollar for dollar - its the best replacement bridge out there.





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7/21/2006 1:36 AM

Craig Ditchfield (8337) wrote:

Paul, I am not quite sure how to put it into words but I will have a go, so pardon my ignorance if I am wrong. Many components of the guitar contribute to its sound, but would a heavier bridge in combination with the the body timber contribute to a better resonance (???) than a lighter one??? I certainly hope so... I have contributed the lack of sustain and slightly dead sound of my Yamaha to the bridge. (BTW this would probably fall into your category of a really poor bridge)

I have replaced it with another (see post below) and when I have put it back together I really hope I will notice a big difference. I have also made a brass nut but I don't think this will contribute as much to the sound as the bridge. I will post my observations in about a week.

Craig







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7/21/2006 11:26 AM

Paul Warren (15441) wrote:

Craig, the only area we seem to disagree on is the mass of a bridge making a difference to the sound. If the bridge is firmly attached to the bass, as it should be, then the effective mass of the bridge, as far as the strings are concerned, is fully equal to the total mass of the bass. The mass of a bridge is is therefor negligible and doesn't contribute in this way to the sound.

The choice of the body wood, however, contributes in many ways to the sound, one way of which is through it's mass. A denser body wood makes a big difference to the basses total mass.

A poor quality bridge detracts from the sound in many ways and replacing it will definately improve the sound of a bass. All I'm saying is that it is properties other than mass that make a bad bridge bad or a good bridge good.

I completely agree that replacing a poor quality bridge is worth it.







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7/21/2006 6:56 PM

Craig Ditchfield (8337) wrote:

I hear what you are saying about the timber quality. When I pulled the Yamaha apart to refinish the timber had no density to it compared to the other woods I have used. I cannot change the wood (I may as well have buit another guitar) so the bridge will have to do. That being said, the standard bridge is made from 3mm steel bent at a rightangle, it is tiny. When I first put the bridge on for a trial it seemed to have more sustain, I cant quantify this however. When it is done if I feel it sounds better I would still probably be able to say it was acombination of the bridge, preamp and new nut that made the difference.

Craig





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7/21/2006 1:57 AM

WILLIAM HULSEY (25119) wrote:

Now look what you've done--you've made me hate you!!!

*sniffle, whine*

LOL!!

Just kidding, Paul!

Bo





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7/21/2006 1:35 PM

Brian Sharpe (21083) wrote:

Perhaps there's more to it than just the mass - when I replaced the little piece of tin that came stock on my MIM p-bass there was a noticeable improvement in resonance and tone. Having said that, my MIJ p-bass (Black Beauty)has a GOTOH bridge and it hasn't even crossed my mind to replace it.

Don't worry - no need for the asbestos suit today!





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7/21/2006 1:47 PM

Paul Warren (15441) wrote:

Brian, that's exactly my point. If mass was the only difference between bridges there wouldn't be any difference in sound between them.

There are many other differences though. Sturdiness of construction is a big one. If a bridge end plate is flimsy then the string vibrational energy is lost to the flexing of the bridge. If the saddles aren't well isolated from each other then energy is lost to the other strings etc. etc.

A BadAss replacement is worthwhile only if the bridge it's replacing isn't of decent quality. Replacing your Gotoh with a BadAss would be a waste of time and money whereas replacing the MIM p-bass bridge was obviously worth it.

I was going to replace the bridge on my MIJ Fender but the tech at Act One Music told me it wouldn't make any difference in sound since the bridge on it is of decent quality.







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7/21/2006 7:05 PM

Craig Ditchfield (8337) wrote:

Bingo!!!!
I read this post after I posted my reply to you.

"if a bridge end plate is flimsy then the string vibrational energy is lost to the flexing of the bridge."

That is the point I was aiming to get across (unsuccessfully of course!! That is what I feel my problem was. Which comes back to replacing a poor quality bridge with a better quality one.

I now see your point more clearly regarding mass vs quality. thanks

Craig







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7/21/2006 9:43 PM

Paul Warren (15441) wrote:

Exactly, you can't make a poor quality bridge sound good by attaching lead weights to it. LOL





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7/21/2006 2:02 PM

Bill McGehee (8244) wrote:

It's about rigidity. The tin can bridges loose lots of energy. Also, since the BAII has really good surface contact, that makes a difference.





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7/21/2006 2:09 PM

Paul Warren (15441) wrote:

Right, rigidity is a point I made too. I forgot about surface contact though. I agree that will make a difference as well. If I'm not mistaken that's how the bridge interacts with the body wood. It probably makes less difference on a cheap plywood or composition bass though.





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7/21/2006 3:02 PM

Bill McGehee (8244) wrote:

As much as I love my BAII, I agree that other quality replacement bridges will give just as good results. It's all about getting rid of that awful stock bridge, if you have one, ugh!



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7/21/2006 1:14 AM

Craig Ditchfield (8337) wrote:

I hear ya Paul!!! When I was shopping for one for my Yamaha the retail was $212.00. I really had to replace the tiny bit of metal Yamaha calls a bridge. I ended up with a Schaller, I put it on quickly and adjusted the intonation prior to pulling the bass apart and refinishing and it seemed to do a good job.

As for mass making a better sound (more sustain, less tinny??) I don't see any way that a new bridge could sound worse than the one alrready on it. I will ahve it ready to play in about a week so I will post piccies and a rundown of the differences.

Craig



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7/21/2006 6:16 AM

Paul Redmile (5981) wrote:

Craig, as a luthier, you have experience building basses from scratch, what bridges did you put on your custom jobs ?
Plod.





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7/21/2006 6:46 PM

Craig Ditchfield (8337) wrote:

I think you may be drawing a long bow, suggesting I may be a luthier!!! but thanks for the compliment. However, On the 2 I have built I used an "Eagle" bridge, as you can see by the pics (on homepage) they are fairly "chunky". Being a first time builder and buying most of my stuff out of a catalogue I was not attuned to the subtleties. I had to heavily modify both bridges, they did not have screw adjusters for intonation,it was meant to be done by loosening a screw and moving the block by hand and then retightening the screw. So I machined threads in the blocks and used an allen screw for adjusters. On the fretless I also had to machine the bottom of the base of the bridge and the blocks to get the action low enough. This was mainly due to my inexperience, I now fit ALL components to basses and set intonation and play prior to any refinishing.
As for the Yamaha I used a Schaller bridge (I can get you the model number) It was almost a direct swap it took 10 minutes to fit. I am sure it is available in chrome as well if your Yamaha has chrome hardware. As I mentioned it cost about $160 or something. A chrome one would be decidedly cheaper.
Sorry if I have ranted.

Craig



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7/21/2006 11:31 AM

Paul Warren (15441) wrote:

You are absolutely right. There's no way upgrading a bridge will sound worse than the lower quality original (assuming installation is correct of course).

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