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Attn: All Lesson Authors

Note: This announcement is of interest only if you have posted a lesson containing the bass parts to a copyrighted song.

ActiveBass sincerely apologizes if you were under the impression that the lesson directory is a repository for creating tabbed basslines or solos from copyrighted songs by your favorite bands, video games, TV shows, etc.

If there's a known player who you admire, and you wish to clue in other bassists about what interests you about their playing, then we strongly encourage you to create "In the style of..." lessons, in which you present original musical examples that are similar to musical ideas that this player plays, but which are not exact transcriptions of known copyrighted songs.

If you look at our publishing guidelines for lessons, and your member agreement, you'll see that it is inappropriate to post music from copyrighted songs without permission from the author. From the publishing guidelines, and I quote:

It's important to understand that ActiveBass CANNOT be a repository for tabs of your favorite band's tunes. The music and lyrics to those tunes (and most popular music) are protected by copyright and only its authors or those who have been granted permission by the author can create alternative versions of these songs (and bass tablature, unfortunately, qualifies as an alternative version). Publishing tablature of a copyrighted tune also does not qualify as "fair use", nor can it be considered educational material. We don't make the rules, but unfortunately, we do have to live by them. ActiveBass hopes that you will respect this policy and not publish any versions of copyrighted material to which you do not have permission. Of course, you can publish any of your own musical creations, copyrighted or not, and anyone else's material to which you have permission.

Until now, we have relied on the honor system for adhering to these guidelines, and the first 100 or so lessons on the site were authored within these bounds. However, the amount of copyright infringment in the lessons has since spiraled out of control.

Because of the threat of legal action against the site, over the next several days, we will be unpublishing every lesson that does not adhere to the site guidelines. If you have authored one of these lessons, you'll still be able to view it for your own educational purposes, but it will not be publicly available. Note that this will not apply to any lessons that cover classical tunes, since they are in the public domain. You can view the current definition of "public domain" in our publishing guidelines for lessons.

Again, we apologize if you were under impression that posting tabs to copyrighted songs is OK. We know the generosity of spirit and amount of work it takes to create and publish an informative lesson, and regret if this causes you any frustration.

Thanks for listening.
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Re: Attn: All Lesson Authors

6/15/2001 6:12 PM

Ryan Volpe (4148) wrote:

waah.



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6/15/2001 6:16 PM

Ryan Volpe (4148) wrote:

there goes several hundred point(lesses). haha.

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6/15/2001 7:42 PM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

If one were to obtain permission, how would an author include it in the lesson so as to be all legal-like?

tracy the likely guilty



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6/15/2001 7:46 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

Have the copyright holder E-mail the administrators.



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6/15/2001 8:58 PM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

So ye say. What say the site administrators?

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6/15/2001 8:06 PM

Chris Immel (2796) wrote:

Lessons should be lessons.

My 2 cents

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6/15/2001 8:53 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Heres my 2 cents if you will. A lesson is a very subjective thing. I believe I have learned just as much from playing other people music as I have pouring over scales. I thought what we had going was a good thing, It is very much easier for a beginner to pick up a rythm or a style if they can hear it. But I guess some people are just greedy, I am sorry if you are not getting payed 20 dollars for someone to learn your song. Ill just rember that next time I am covered from head to toe in oil when a fuel injectiion line breaking while I am calibrating a pump. I'll smile and think, yes this is nothing compared to the hardship that person had to endure to write there four chord song. But thankfully it is all worked out by the sytem of checks and balances and they are rewarded 1000 fold for there enduracnce of public praise. Thank the lord that these people get paid so much more than the doctors, nurses, and medical researchers that save lives. For if it were not for these "artist" we all would not have to change the radio station 8 million time in the car to try to find something other then the song they wrote on a drunken binge about there contempt for the police or govenment. So yes I can see how one would be upset that a young kid somewhere is learning to play their song and them not somehow being remebursed for all their hardships.(I hope a bit of the sarcasim came through)

(On a side note Chirs I would find it rather amusing to find out which "artist" or "company" happen to complain about the further satuaration of thier music)



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6/15/2001 9:39 PM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

Lessons may be subjective. Laws concerning the use of intellectual property are fairly clear, though not definitive until interpreted by the courts.

It's one thing for me to sit down and show you something I learned in class. But when I sit down and put pen to paper (or mouseclick to monitor, as it were) and publish it in a form that is mass distributable, such as on this site, that is a different issue, and one that is clearly covered by copyright law. I honestly don't know where my funk lesson falls; I haven't done the research to see who holds the copyright and if it is still good.

If I were clever enough to create something original that other people want to use, I would want to be fairly compensated for my creation, especially if someone else found a way to profit from my work.

It seems that many folks think that intellectual property is somehow different than a physical invention; it is not, and I am very sympathetic to those who try to protect their work (and I wear my Metallica t-shirt proudly when talking about Napster).

I don't know how the courts have ruled for this type of situation where none of us actually profit financially from the lessons we publish. I would think that this site is visited by far more people who just use the lessons than those who become members and post on Fretbuzz.

So, I'll see your $0.02 and raise you another 2.

thj





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6/15/2001 9:53 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Ill raise you 4, I have no problem with intellectual property. But let me ask you this, how are I or anyone else stealing from the food from the mouth of the children of the artst when we teach someone else a riff from song. Even if I charged someone to take lessons from me and I showed them how to play a song from a well known artist, how is that stealing from them. I am providing my service of showing them how to play something, thats what they are paying for. A musician should not get angry when someone else plays there music, I would find it flattering. Even if they were getting paid for it, its the performer who is getting paid for his performance and as long as he dosent take credit for writting the music why should some one care. I certainly would not.







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6/15/2001 9:56 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Whoohoo I should rant about lessons more often, two of my lessons just got rated 5! O BTW yes they were riffs from copywritten music, thats okay though I would be willing to give the 2.5 points to compensate his or her ego.









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6/16/2001 1:04 AM

April Stevenson (14009) wrote:

i sort of doubt it's the authors themselves getting their panties into a bundle about it. Its probably some pathetic interns that the record companies hire to surf the net looking for possible copyright violations. They comb ebay for promo issues and bootlegs, etc. So if you feel you must direct your ire somewhere, point it at the music publishing industry and the labels.









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6/16/2001 2:54 AM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Will do as long as its against some establishment or group, need to direct my ignorance somewhere.







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6/15/2001 10:06 PM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

It's not the teaching. It's the publishing. It's disseminating the work in a mass form without permission

If you haven't noticed, this site has become very popular lately. Must be attracting the attention of some attorneys, I guess.

I guess it's experiment time. I wonder how easy it is to get permission, and from whom one would get it.

call







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6/15/2001 10:12 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

So its not the act that is bad its the fact that the "not bad act" is being perfomed alot. I.E. distributing it to alot of people. I guess it kinda like that universial creation theory where if there is enough of nothing its something. And yes I realize that me ranting about it wont change it, alot of things in this world dont make sense. I just like to rant.









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6/15/2001 10:19 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

Actually, the most likely reason legal action has been threatened is that recognizable portions of songs are available in audio via MIDI files, which can count as a un reimbursed performance under some cocaine induced law written by a record company exec.









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6/15/2001 10:23 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Hey i have an idea thenm why dont we charge for every time someone hits the play button on the midi, something like 10 cents, then the musicians can afford to gold plate another item in their house.









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6/15/2001 10:26 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

Because that would be too low a reimbursement in most contracts. I'm dead serious about this by the way.











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6/15/2001 10:28 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Just curious Clay do you know how much bars and places pay to be able to allow covers?













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6/15/2001 10:34 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

No clue at all.













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6/16/2001 1:08 AM

April Stevenson (14009) wrote:

hmm.. i just asked a guy who runs the tavern i practice with my otehr band about this a few weeks ago. $150 a month i think? not sure. And i don;t remember if its each, to BMI and ASCAP or just one, or how strict either one is about what gets played in the establishment. I'll ask him again.











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6/21/2001 7:38 PM

Jordan Day (2501) wrote:

Sometimes, Clay, I don't know what's scarier: When you're being facetious or when you're being serious.









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6/16/2001 1:11 AM

April Stevenson (14009) wrote:

10 cents? I think if you have a top 10 single you only get something like 15 cents everytime its played, and that gets divvied up quick between ...

the record label
the producer
the writer
the band
the lawyer
the publishing company


and whoever else had a hand in the creation, marketing, selling, recording, protecting, writing, blah blah blah of it.







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6/15/2001 10:18 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

It is also kinda intresting to note that one of your "favorite lessons" will also be deleted in the purification of our beloved AB.









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6/15/2001 10:32 PM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

I guess we'll see on that. The copyright date on the sheet music is from the early 70s, Thad Jones is dead; like I say, I truly don't know what the status is of that copyright or the tune.

I think it's very much clear-cut when we have tabs to tunes heard on the radio.

Like the man said, I'll just have to rewrite it "in the style of . . ." or "inspired by . . . "

Hate to lose those 2,800+ hits, though . . . :-(

thj









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6/15/2001 10:35 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

Just rename it, and mod the lines and text. It can be done Ma'am.











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6/15/2001 10:38 PM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

By Jove, I think you've got it!













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6/15/2001 10:56 PM

Phil Farabough (3731) wrote:

So we work real hard to get it exact ,,,Then we have to make it wrong.... to be right... thats insain... These PUNKS have gotten to big for there britches... time to put them in their place. I would think they would be honered to have there music posted up...I know I would ! So if I ever make it ...Post AWAY you have my blessing !













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6/16/2001 12:09 AM

Lesa McCabe (60419) wrote:

Maybe I should put up some Payday Daddy tunes? I'd be glad if you folks wanted to learn our songs... Anyone played a good Polka lately??















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6/16/2001 12:11 AM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

I played a good polka. Root, fifth, root, fifth, etc etc. I played some good country too Root, fifth, root, fifth. Then I played some bossa Nova Root slight pause root fifth.















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6/16/2001 12:15 AM

Lesa McCabe (60419) wrote:

Yeah, but our polka has a heavy metal instrumental...and a key change!! WOOHOO!! hahahahaha













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6/21/2001 4:20 PM

Tim Coulson (928) wrote:

can I get that in writing?











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6/15/2001 10:59 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

I say we just put a disclaimer saying not to push the play button under punishment of law.











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6/15/2001 11:17 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

Of course, AB would still be hosting the Midis, or a link to them, so it would be their butt, not yours.











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6/15/2001 11:37 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Well If it were my butt I dont believe I would care given that i am not making money from the reproduction of the music. The worst a cort would do is tell you to shut down the site or stop the midi.











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6/15/2001 11:43 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

You obviously have never been threatend with legal action over issues pertaing to recorded music and intellectual property laws.









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6/15/2001 10:39 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Tracy, I know how you feel one of my lessons has over 2600 hits and has 30+ ratings that average to 4.5 and I have even gotten messages complementing it personally. This is half the reson I am so P.O. about this latest development.









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6/15/2001 10:43 PM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

Back to the Baroque, I guess. Time to finish my Handel lesson on triads. I started it last week . . . good thing, I guess.

Don't I wish I could play the tunes I write about???? *LOL*









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6/15/2001 10:46 PM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

I'm putting my long out of print bass technique book into activebass lesson format. Trouble will be condensing all 780 pages into something bearable.









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6/17/2001 9:09 AM

Tracy Hardy Johnson (17448) wrote:

That brings up an interesting question . . . what to do if a work is copyrighted but out of print?

In the community chorale I sing in, if the sheet music is out of print, it is OK to photocopy it. I wonder if that applies to anything we do here.







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6/16/2001 1:07 AM

April Stevenson (14009) wrote:

BMI, ASCAP, GEMA... good place to start Tracy :o, which, i think, is where one goes to inquire about buying the rights to record or distribute a piece of music.





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6/15/2001 10:04 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Heres a thought, under copywrite laws one is allowed to quote a person in there own work if the give them proper credit correct? If this is not true i have alot of money to pay to alot of people for all the research papers I have written. Well is a riff of a song not unlike a quote? Just a penny for your thoughts.





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6/17/2001 7:25 AM

Ali Taylor (1390) wrote:

Didja ever notice that when you steal from one person, it's called plagiarism, but when you steal from a lot of people, it's called research?





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6/17/2001 7:58 AM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

Theres a difference between quoting Nietzsche in your thesis and publishing a copywritten bass line.





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6/17/2001 8:13 AM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

hmmm how so as long as the writter is given proper credit...and clay since your on what is the frequency for low B on the bass?





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6/17/2001 8:24 AM

Robert Claypool (31536) wrote:

30.9375





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6/17/2001 8:26 AM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

Thanks



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6/15/2001 10:36 PM

Phil Farabough (3731) wrote:

""On a side note Chirs I would find it rather amusing to find out which "artist" or "company" happen to complain about the further satuaration of thier music"" DITTO! Here ! Ya know its prety sad When a group like Goverment Mule ALLOWS live recording of there gigs ...they have no problem with it unless its sold ...but it can be GIVEN to everyone. I'm sure Warren would be pleased to have his stuff transscribed on whole note ..Hell, he would proberly log on and say " No you got this part wrong, it goes like this "" Long Live the Mule ! Mr Sung I hold no contempt to you or Mr Terry about this, And will be a contributing member of AB for as long as you are here , HOWEVER I do hold a fist up in the air to the ""big dogs"" (and I do call them DOGS) for their total disrespect to the ones who got them there in the first place ...US the listener.
Our line builder and lessons was a grate way to learn about other bass players approaches and styles, Even famous ones. Some we may have overlooked ,and then to here a MIDI example caused us to go out and buy the music ...
I'll tell you I have about had it ...No I have had it ...I will NOT but any more tapes or CD's...Period. I will copy my music from the RADIO!! Now Mr BIG DOG, What you gonna do ..force the radio stations to PAY to PLAY your songs ...I dont think so .... May you go broke form your GREED ! and wind up in a used car lot in Pine Bluff Arkansas. STAND UP PEOPLE !



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6/21/2001 4:45 PM

Jordan Day (2501) wrote:

Actually, I'd say it's teachers who really get the shaft. Starting salary for a high school teacher with a bachelor's: BELOW the poverty line. What's more, in Washington State the administration can fire you ON SUSPICION of being homosexual.



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6/21/2001 4:52 PM

Gary Mistalski (1929) wrote:

I would say that is state dependent, I know CT they get paid fairly well.





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6/21/2001 4:56 PM

Jordan Day (2501) wrote:

You're probably right. Man, if I wasn't studying to be a COLLEGE teacher, I know where I'd be moving!



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6/21/2001 4:54 PM

Debbie Dwyre (343) wrote:

Good thing us high school teachers don't go into teaching for the money :0) (and I wonder why I am broke all of the time?)



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6/21/2001 4:58 PM

Lee Rotter (6496) wrote:

I can't imagine why anyone would want to be a teacher. No offense or anything. I have a lot of respect for teachers. After all, they have to put up with punks like me when I was in school. That was many years ago. Almost five.

BTW, nice hat Debbie.



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6/21/2001 6:37 PM

Debbie Dwyre (343) wrote:

I guess you just have to have the desire to teach them... someone has to, so why not me (and all the other teachers out there)Plus it is a very rewarding job...

Isn't the hat great! Gotta love it ;0)



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6/21/2001 7:25 PM

Ken Francis (4610) wrote:

Deb,
your hat is too cool!...You get complimented on it quite frequently!

~Ken =))

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