This thread was removed because of its drug references, not because of any interchange between members (which I must say, provided pretty comprehensive info about the topic). I had received a few complaints about it, and considering that many of AB's members and visitors are teens, I decided it was best to get rid of it. As I've said before, we try to keep this a G-rated site, and sometimes we're more successful than others.

Sorry about that.

Oh, I guess that's alright. That's only the specific thing I was trying to point out in all my posts; that we as a culture don't educate the kids, and that's why they are dying out in the streets.

And there I was thinking I might be doing some good.

Thanks for the clarification.

-=M

Matt, I agree with you completely. I found the thread on "E" very informative and worthwhile. If it were at all possible, I would have copied the entire thread and posted it on a D.A.R.E (drug and alcohol resistance education) website. I believe the thread even helped one AB-er with his chemistry.



Again, I agree with you about how we don't educate today's youth, and that's why they get into the trouble that they do. Rather than telling kids not to do something, explain to them why they shouldn't do it. Even better, explain to them the consequences of a particular action, and let them decide for themselves if they are willing to risk those consequences.



Our culture is becoming a paradox of the highest order. We allow all kinds of violent, perverted, and disrespectful behavior in our kids' daily lives, yet we turn around and puritanically chastise them for being the least bit curious or influenced by these behaviors. And of course, the prohibition of anything only makes it that more tantalizing. Aye. What's the world coming to?



Anyhoo, good day and God bless!

I agree. All the "Regulars" know each other...But, we don't know who is a first time visitor to A.B.. What if it's a 11 year old, and here we are talking about drugs...If I were somebody's mommy ( Wait a second! I am!) I wouldn't like it. A.B. should have a G rating, yep...If you want to talk about E, and other subjects of that genre, then go thru each others inboxes... This has been yet, anoither, public service announcement!! xoxoox
Lesa

Was that the topic that i brought up? I, wasn't trying to bring up something that was gonna spark a controversy. it's just that i wanted to know the effects it would have on someone when they are playing. We talk about people being on acid or alcohol while playing...most people laugh about it. i think that the E drug is a dangerous drug and I thought it would be even more dangerous to be playing while on it...

T.

Don't forget, we have to shield the children so they won't know whats out there and get scared. Of course, every kids going to find out about sooner ar later, either through conversation or use.........................

Hi Clay:

I found out about "E" from a 20/20 show and a Date Line Show. Both were doing extensive research about it and coming out to the public about the effects of E. I thought it was interesting. A lot of parents don't know what their kids are getting into when they are away from the nest. I for one am happy that I saw those two shows. I still would like to know more though... like I said before it should be about 20 more years before we can tell what the true effects of the drug are
(aren't they still examinig people from "orange" used in Vietnam...heck that was decades ago!).

T.

Part of the reason no one knows much about E is its not even 20 years old yet.

I think Marilyn Manson said something to the effect of "The reason kids try drugs and do stupid things is that they don't understand them and want to find out". His reasoning was that if parents and schools would teach kids about the 'evils' out there, there might not be as many kids using drugs as there are now. I don't agree with everything he says but he made a valid point. What gets me is people preach about educating kids on the use of alcohol and tobacco to inform kids how bad that stuff is but don't don't say anything about the use of 'evil' 'illegal' drugs. That doesn't seem right to me. They just assume kids aren't going to encounter drugs. I assume the opposite.

Say Clay, did you get wind of our new "Drug Czar's" Policies? Prison instead of rehabilatation. What a wonderful idea! Lets lock up all these people who've never hurt anyone except themselves along with the murderes and rapists!! Fact is, America's drug policies have been a complete faliure for decades. The only people who are profiting from it are the people who live outside the law. A limited legalization policy would deprive organized crime and street gangs alike of their major source of income. Still, our policies continue to be completely berift of common sense. Sigh.

I'm staying away from this topic, but if anyone wants a drug plan that works, come visit me, we'll discuss it, and eventually forget it as we commit lobotomy by inhalation. :)

Ahhh, Clay, that sounds like fun. I'll bring the beer and you supply the ummm other supplies. Looks like I'm going to Mississippi to visit Clay. Maybe he'll give one of his cool basses.

Sure you can have one of my basses. If you can beat Ry at "Wheel of liquor".

Who is this "Ry" character and what is the 'Wheel Of Liquor"? Sounds interesting. I'd like to know what I'm up against.

Check your inbox.

hmmm i would play put pretend to drink the liquor than see that your so drunk you have no idea whats going on and then just take it when your in the good mood

Sorry, I don't get that drunk. Anymore.

hmm well that about goes with the current thinking. In oregon, we now have to pay fees to use state and county parks. the fees go to build more prisons. i think, in general, politicians are completely clueless to reality.

How many times did 'JUST SAY NO!' actually work?...Anyone?....Thats what I thought.

Ah yes! Wasn't it the lady in Red? 'Just say No.' One of the stupidest statements ever made by one of the most influential people in the world, besides her astrologer... Good Greif!!!

;-)

Grief!

Sorry Tracy...

;-)

I'm off duty, fer cryinoutloud!

;^)

Clueless, yes, it is a spreading problem, not just in politics and education, which of course somehow leads to the general population...

So I'm sitting here watching the local news on NBC, and the newscaster said "59% of Americans are afraid to go to the dentist," and then added, in a voice with increased volume, I suppose becasue she was excited that she was able to interpret this, added, "That's more than half!"

'The American Dream...', what a friggin waste..., 'Quiet Desperation' sounds closer...

Where are my SSRIs.

%^(

You know what's truly terrifying?

Half of the people are below average!!

I am not making this up.

LMFHO....
So very interesting...

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I've got tears in my eyes, oh my god, I can't stop laughing...


HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Thanks for all your help. Now my points are about where they were.

Serious up, already!

*snort*

I've got to log off now and take a shower or something. I don't know what happened, but your message hit me square in the funny bone. I'm still laughing at that!

;-)

I've always had this power to reduce men to tears.

now don't get me started!! hahahaha

"Squiffy" to the rescue! Playing her calmed me down a bit, and my hand doesn't even hurt!

;-)

Disclaimer: The above, noted as "Squiffy," is my bass. I call 'it' a 'she,' for reasons not entirely clear to myself. I do not, however, condone nor advocate the 'playing' of any person, male or female. Nor does any referenct to my 'hand' not 'hurting' have anything to do with anything that could or would be taken in a way that would indicate something other than 'G' content.

Disclaimer disclaimer: The 'G' mentioned above has absolutely nothing to do with any 'spot' that might be accidentally thought of in connection with it, and I no way advocate the 'searching,' 'belief,' or 'playing' of this possibly ficticious area.

Disclaimer disclaimer amendment: Confusion concerning the above 'G' may be difficult to clarify concerning the relation with 'String,' and I have no intention of even going there...

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Now I don't mind going to the dentist at all. I like my dentist. His son is a drummer...What I don't like is paying the darn bill!

I just spent the last year getting ALL of my teeth fixed, and what a blessing! I didn't mind. I guess that puts me in the litteler half...

;-)

LITTLER!!! sorry.

Corrections graciously taking ... ;-)

My 40 year old teeth are the best looking part on my whole body!! hahaha

I used hate the dentist. At least now any work on my teeth can be done far from my head.

Of course, theres the wonderful feeling and taste of polygrip. I've been thinking of something a tad more tasty. Perhaps temperature resistant silicone sealant.

Duct tape??

It would taste better, but I would hate to fold it.

How 'bout that silvery powder used to plug radiator leaks? ;-)

Starting to do that here in Washington State also...

America's polocies have been a complete failure for decades (not just drug policies). The Juvenile Law System, Affirmative Action(Im not arguing for or against, just saying it hasn't really changed atr society as much as people hoped/said it would.. if at all), Traffic laws, Drug laws, whatever.. but there is only so much a government can do.. I for one don't have many suggestions.

Maybe I'm walking into a grey area here, but it seems to me there was one major difference between T's post and the post that was deleted. T's post was a serious question concerning the effects of a particular drug; I didn't see anything in there that promoted drug use. If I'm not mistaken there was a post or two in the other thread that appeared to glamorize drug use.
I sure hope I'm not coming off as some goody-two shoes here, because I've abused various substances in the past (OK, in the past week)I just don't feel that I should mention the specifics in this particular forum. and I think that is what Chris is getting at.

If "glamourizing" drug use involves discussing potential side effects and the truth about what we actually know about a certain drug, then I guess I glamourized drug use. But I never at any pont said that taking E would be a good idea. I never supported drug use at all; I played a part that was completely neutral, only to see a lot of my posts disappear. This bothered me because I put a lot of effort into these posts, and I felt they were informative and helpful.

Sorry if the truth hurts your ears.

-=M

In response to your original message.
I am pretty sure that Mani of the Stone Roses used to play whilst on the afore mentioned substance quite regularly.
I also agree that the message wasn't doing anything potentially harmful as it was detailing many of the problems of drug taking.
Unfortunately, some people haven't seen iut this way.

They all had their own little foibles, in fact it was John Squires love of the old nose ningle that caused them to split due to his personality changes, apparently.
More evidence that drugs can f*** up sonme really good things.
Aziz Ibrahim was NEVER even close to Squire in my opinion, and the fact that the best British drummer alive was no longer with them sealed it.

Steve

I never knew that Aziz Ibrahim took over from John
He plays in Ian Brown's backing band now don't he, I always thought he wqas just his mate.
But you are right, John Squire kicks a very large portion of ass! But his best riffs were with the Seahorses not the Stone Roses.

Yeah, they toured for about a year as Gary Mounfield,Ian Brown,Aziz Ibrahim and Robbie Maddox, plus a guy on keyboards who I can't remember. Then Mani left for Primal Scream, so Ian Brown carried on. If you look in the sleeve notes of Golden Greats or the Monkey one, Maddox and Ibrahim are on them.
Have you ever heard Ibrahim make a Strat sound like a Sitar? It is incredible. Still don't rate him above Squire though. Love is The Law is one of my favourite gutiar riffs for letting rip on, but I still think that Love Spreads is his finest work.

Steve